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Variant Tournaments
I've really enjoyed playing variant-specific tournaments such as the Known World 15x15 currently underway.
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gman314 (1016 D)
12 Mar 11 UTC
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Winning
Oli won.
On Imperial Civilization's off-topic thread (link inside), there was a brief stint of Second to Last Person to Post Wins. Now that the thread is closed, Oli won.
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kaner406 (1389 D (B) (B))
24 Sep 16 UTC
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I've been Boursed!!! 2016
Hi all, when Amby and I were recording our recent podcast (diplomacygames.com) the topic of Bourse came up, and I got really excited and thought that I would try to get another game of this variant running...
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Devonian (1819 D)
29 Jun 15 UTC
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1v1 Tournament Rules, Rankings, and Challenges
Official Rules for 1v1 Ladder Tournament
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fasces349 (1052 D)
26 Dec 10 UTC
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Advertise live games here
Like in webdiplo, this thread will be used to help people find live games
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drano019 (2056 D)
Thu 05 Jan UTC
Return to Vdip
Hi All!

After a nearly 2.5 year hiatus from playing here, I thought it might be a good time to stop back over and take a peek at what's going on. I've missed some of the variants here, and am hoping to be able to gather up a solid group of players to play a few games (not all at once necessarily) and give me that variant "fix" I've been missing. Anyone interested in some top notch play?
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butterhead (961 D)
21 May 12 UTC
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Advertise your NON-live games here!
In an effort to compromise the pro-ads versus anti-ads for games: Post here for your non-live games to cut down on the number of ads but still advertise games. Post game link, WTA or PPSC, and the bet. Note: this doesn't count for special rules games.
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dachi (1154 D)
Fri 13 Jan UTC
Fall of the American Empire
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/variants.php?variantID=20

Is there a reason I can't host this variant? I've played in before on this server, and I'd really like to try it again, but I can't find it in the drop down menu for hosting new games.
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e (1000 D)
Thu 05 Jan UTC
High School and College Diplomacy Clubs
Hello everyone! Are you in a high school or college Diplomacy Club? I'm trying to compile a list of schools that currently have Diplomacy Clubs, so it would be great if you could post here if you know of any or are part of one! School name, location, and a contact email would be great. Thanks!
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DiplomatofHonour (1000 D)
Sat 14 Jan UTC
Machiavelli
Peace be with you
The Machiavelli variant of diplomacy is very interesting. I would suggest you add it to your list of variants in this website.
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DiplomatofHonour (1000 D)
Fri 13 Jan UTC
Machiavelli
Peace be with you
The Machiavelli variant of diplomacy is very interesting. I would suggest you add it to your list of variants in this website.
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Ikaneko (946 D)
22 Dec 16 UTC
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Arctic warfare variant. What do you think?
I'm making a new variant, Arctic Warfare, featuring Scandinavia, Canada and Russia scrambling to control the Arctic. This is very early WIP, but here it is nevertheless.

http://imgur.com/T1NZWUs
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Anon (?? D)
Sat 07 Jan UTC
New Game - PRINCE OF GUNBOAT
gameID=29599 125 bet WTA Classic Anon Gunboat 2 day phases

No riff raff.
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The Ambassador (1641 D (B) (B))
02 Sep 16 UTC
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New podcast for online Dip games
Hi everyone

Kaner and I have started a podcast about playing Diplomacy online....
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Mikey99 (2183 D)
Tue 10 Jan UTC
Cannot join new game because "having trouble keeping up with the ones I'm in"
oops... just posted this in a current thread, sorry - lol - Does anyone kindly have a view. I'm in four games, with a couple about to close and I decided to join a new one... only to be told that I can't. I have a reliability rating of over 99%. What other factor may be affecting this please?
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Mikey99 (2183 D)
Thu 05 Jan UTC
Cannot join new game because "having trouble keeping up with the ones I'm in"
oops... just posted this in a current thread, sorry - lol - Does anyone kindly have a view. I'm in four games, with a couple about to close and I decided to join a new one... only to be told that I can't. I have a reliability rating of over 99%. What other factor may be affecting this please?
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SLOTerp (0 D)
Wed 04 Jan UTC
NWO goes MAD
The current NWO game being run at Redscape incorporated new experimental rules for the nukes: MAD (nuclear strikes can trigger automatic nuclear response). Spring 2005 sees 9 nukes trigger 3 nukes which begat another 3 nukes. Yikes!
http://www.redscape.com/viewforum.php?f=151
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Anon (?? D)
Wed 04 Jan UTC
Please join the game!
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=29548

We need quite a few people, so join up, please!
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mariscal (1578 D)
31 Dec 16 UTC
variants
is there a dip-variant as game of thrones / ringwars similar or not to the respective boardgames? maybe under another name, sorry my ignorance. if not, what tools, or site do you recommend me, to try to make a map? thxs all, happy new year
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The Ambassador (1641 D (B) (B))
15 Aug 16 UTC
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Thoughts on improving vDip
As mentioned in another thread, I thought I'd summarise here my thoughts on the idea of vDip "dying". Please feel free to add your perspectives on avoiding this to the mix.
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Captainmeme (1559 D Mod (B))
30 Dec 16 UTC
FvA Double Elim Tournament on WebDip
Since webDip *finally* got those variants ported across, I'm running a 1v1 tournament over there.

Info here if anyone is interested: http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1431032
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Known World Tournament
Awhile back, kaner proposed a Known World gunboat tournament in which 15 participants would play 15 games, one with each nation. I searched back for the thread, then just decided to start a new one. I want to see if there would be sufficient interest in this to try to get it off the ground.
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mouse (1422 D)
06 Dec 16 UTC
kaner, RUFFHAUS - why did we agree to splitting 150 D rather than something like 15.000 then?

Mapu - you don't think the method of distributing points should be the same across all games? That hardly seems fair.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2502 D)
06 Dec 16 UTC
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"Surviving in a draw, yes. But surviving in a solo, no."

Agreed 100%, Mapu. The only survival in a solo is the victor.

"or multiply all final outcomes by 100 to get rid of that decimal and give us whole numbers that are reflective of the real final score"

Good suggestion, Kaner. Whole numbers are much cleaner.
bozo (2015 D)
06 Dec 16 UTC
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Multiplying the result by 100 has the same effect as starting with each game worth 15000. I do not think the scoring for a solo was ever specifically stated in the discussions before the tournament started, but I think the consensus was WTA, so it should be 15000 for the solo, 0 for everyone else.
Mapu (2339 D (B))
06 Dec 16 UTC
"Mapu - you don't think the method of distributing points should be the same across all games? That hardly seems fair."

Some of the ultra veteran players can correct me and add to this, but my understanding is that surviving a solo is actually worse than being defeated (and thus worse than surviving in a draw) because you failed to stop the solo. I think some scoring systems even take this into account.
Captainmeme (1559 D Mod (B))
07 Dec 16 UTC
I don't think any veteran player would say surviving to a solo is worse than being eliminated - the eliminated powers 'lost' in the same way and their actions would also have had an impact in setting the solo up. I know some people who say that to make themselves look better after being eliminated, but I don't think anyone seriously believes it.

Someone throwing the game is often *less* likely to survive than other players.

That said, I don't know many veteran players who would say surviving to a solo is better than an elimination, either. Both cases are losses, both are worth the same.
mouse (1422 D)
07 Dec 16 UTC
In the post on pg5 of this thread where Dr Recommended officially launched the torunament, and the first game, he posted "We will use SoS scoring to distribute points for the tournament."

Nowhere do I see that being limited to draws. I would disagree heavily with any push to change the rules, part-way through the tourney, to have solos split WTA rather than SoS.
Captainmeme (1559 D Mod (B))
07 Dec 16 UTC
The official scoring system Sum of Squares (SoS) is a WTA system, SoS is a way of scoring the draws.
bozo (2015 D)
07 Dec 16 UTC
mouse:

Although I agree the post you referenced does not state that SoS does not apply to solos, the post on page 1 by kaner, which suggests the SoS scoring, reference a webDip link:

http://webdiplomacy.net/points.php

He also copied part of the information in the link, and it states:

"This is a centre-based scoring system. In a draw, each player gets a proportion of the pot scaled by their centre count:

(SC_count^2) / (sum of all players (SC_count^2))"

Additional information at the webDip link that is not copied to the post states:

"WebDiplomacy has three scoring systems enabled: Draw-Size Scoring, Sum of Squares and Unranked.
In the first two systems, if you win this game by capturing the required supply centres (18 on the Classic map) then you win the entire pot for the game, and receive all those points."

It was my interpretation that when Dr. Recommended used the term SoS scoring, he is referring to this definition, which I think clearly states that solos are scored WTA.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2502 D)
07 Dec 16 UTC
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Why is it that Diplomacy players of all people cannot comprehend that "solo" means one?
Maucat (1937 D)
07 Dec 16 UTC
I'm still waiting an answer to my question: can I play this tournament, please?
Maucat, the tournament is well underway and the games are not open. I will add your name to the list of potential replacements.

Good discussion on scoring, I'll have to catch up and add my thoughts later today.
Bump. Games waiting on two players.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2502 D)
09 Dec 16 UTC
Who are the two donks not signing up? We have eager players begging to play. If you cannot continue, please speak up.
I'm a donk. In less than 4 days I'm away with zero internet access for a week. I flagged this with Doc and instead of having to start a game and put everyone through a pause a day later, thought it made far more sense to just wait on starting the next game when I got back on 20 Dec.
RUFFHAUS 8 (2502 D)
09 Dec 16 UTC
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*cough* game sitter feature *cough

Surely a silver level developer knows about this? :)
They hand out silver medallions for just turning up. You should know that RUFFHAUS ;-)
Leif_Syverson (1640 D Mod)
17 Dec 16 UTC
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Amby is back and will join the games shortly. That leaves one player still not joined. Who is it? I'm in.
I've PM'd the remaining holdout (thanks Cap!)
Mapu (2339 D (B))
21 Dec 16 UTC
Are the countries already shuffled?
Captainmeme (1559 D Mod (B))
21 Dec 16 UTC
On it now - please do not enter orders in the meantime.
Captainmeme (1559 D Mod (B))
21 Dec 16 UTC
Done! Have fun all :)
I've asked Captainmeme to PM the player that NMRd. I'll give a day or so more and then pull a player from the substitute list. Is this agreeable?
Game 2 scoring:

Dr. Rec: (30^2)0.0414 = 37.26
bozo: (27^2)0.0414 = 30.1806
Desert Fox: (27^2)0.0414 = 30.1806
Eki83: (25^2)0.0414 = 25.875


Scoring after 2 games:

Hirnsaege: 80.15
Eki83: 76.595
Dr. Rec: 37.26
bozo: 34.3206
Desert Fox: 30.1806
RUFF 8: 14.95
mouse: 0.04
I'm still not convinced we've got the right scoring system, but I don't have a better idea. For example, it seems that bozo reaching the draw in both games, with 10 and 25 centers respectively, should be above me (1 draw, 30 centers) in the scoring. I guess it just shows the value of grabbing any extra centers you can as the game winds down.
*bozo 10 and 27, not 25
Two possible tweaks. First, I calculated the scores the same way, and simply added the number of centers to them:

Eki83: 136.595
Hirnsaege: 124.15
bozo: 71.3206
Dr. Rec: 67.26
Desert Fox: 57.1806
RUFFHAUS 8: 33.95
mouse: 1.4

This gives more weight to bozo and Eki reaching the draw in both games.

The next one is admittedly arbitrary. I awarded 10 D across the board for reaching the draw. This again adds weight to bozo & Eki drawing both games, and smooths out the huge range generated by squaring. I don't know if it will work as we get deeper into the tournament, but I think this one gives the fairest representation:

Eki83: 96.595
Hirnsaege: 90.15
bozo: 54.3206
Dr. Rec: 47.26
Desert Fox: 40.1806
RUFFHAUS 8: 24.95
mouse: 10.04


I rather doubt we'll find complete consensus on this, and I hope I'm not starting any arguments. Just want to look at our options before we get further along.
Hirnsaege (2076 D)
23 Dec 16 UTC
voice from the off, not really knowing what was discussed so far:

does it have to be ^2 ?
any other exponent between 1 and 2 would tone down the differences and still scale to some extent.

something like ^1.2 would still favour the larger size in a draw, but far less drastically.
i.E. if we have someone having 10 centers, some other 11 centers, another one 20 centers, we'd get:
10^1.2 = 15.85
11^1.2 = 17.77
20^1.2 = 36.41
bases difference (for 10,11,20) is 110% and 200%
with exponent 1.2 applied we get a difference of 120% and 230%

So it scales and favours the larger winner – but not so much as a ^2 which favours those who once manage to have a huge victory, even if they fail in all the other games.

1.2 is still an arbitrary factor of course ... but ^2 actually is too.
with expontent 2.0 applied to (10,11,20), we get a difference of 121% and 400%
--> having double centers is worth four times in scoring. having 3 times centers would be 9 times already ...


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Decima Legio (2106 D)
22 Dec 16 UTC
Shift Right variant
Anybody interested to try out the shift right / shift left variant?
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mace (1314 D)
21 Nov 16 UTC
search for live 1 on 1
hey anybody interested in an live 1 on 1?
if so please send me a private message.

looking forward to some nice challenges
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Diplomacy Simulator
Hi! I'm new here and I don't know if it was already discussed, but it would be nice to have some sort of simulator to test out moves. Sometimes the rules aren't that easy to apply and it's hard to understand what would happen in a very tricky and unique situation...
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Flame (0 D)
20 Dec 16 UTC
4th & 5th diplomacy rules revisions difference
Please remember me what is the differences between 4th & 5th rules revisions?
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LovelyPinkEgg (1295 D)
18 Dec 16 UTC
Europe I600 tournament
Hello, I would like to start a tournament at map Europe 1600.
Games will be anonymous and it will be message all. Or would you like to Public Press or Gunboat?
My capacity of points is low, so eveeygame will be for 2 Dpoints.
Who join?
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zurn (947 D)
17 Dec 16 UTC
diplom.org down?
diplom.org used to be the centre of the online Diplomacy community. Even long past its prime it held tons of interesting resources, variant files, articles, etc. For the last few weeks I haven't had any luck loading the site. Does anybody have any idea what's up?

Luckily, most of it is backed up by the Wayback Machine, hopefully that never disappears: https://web.archive.org/web/20161020130534/http://www.diplom.org/
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Some of the variants don't tell you much...
Classic Cataclysm, for instance. It has a home page in Russian and our variant page says nothing. Some one want to enlighten?
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yoak (1223 D)
08 Dec 16 UTC
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Error when clicking on top-level "Games"
Error triggered: Not-paused game process-time values incorrectly set..

This was probably caused by a software bug. The details of this error have been successfully logged and will be attended to by a developer.
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