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23 Jul 21 UTC	Spring, 1889: GameMaster: Austria voted for a Draw. If everyone votes Draw the game will end and the points are split equally among all the surviving players, regardless of how many supply centers each player has.
29 Jul 21 UTC	Autumn, 1890: GameMaster: Britain voted for a Draw. If everyone votes Draw the game will end and the points are split equally among all the surviving players, regardless of how many supply centers each player has.
05 Aug 21 UTC	Funny game, well done France. I was annoyed at seemed at only me trying to stop you, so I tried to prevent the others like China Japan Tyskland and Rusland getting a result. I was hoping it could be a fast France victory and that I'd keep over 10 centres but not a happy result... Well played especiall Rusland and China.
05 Aug 21 UTC	I'm going to set up another one soon and get a better result :)
05 Aug 21 UTC	GG all, I was just on the attack that game. Incredibly sorry to Italy, we worked so well ignoring each other, and in all honesty my move to Bechuanaland was a misorder and I am truly sorry. You did so well stopping this from being a Russian solo, but I completely understand then attacking me, and I was fortunate to have the hop on you. Also to Britain, I couldn't see what you were trying to do but as this is PPSC it makes sense to try and get the result to happen earlier - I do think there was probably a draw to be had if you'd hung in a bit longer before capitulating to me though. Excellent Russia/China alliance, those are very rare. Happy to join another gunboat game Britain if you set one up and link here?
05 Aug 21 UTC	Bravo France, Russia, China. After the turn before the last turn I messed up and realised I could not defend. I was dreading having many more years of being attacked from France and Russia. It was very disappointing to have finally taken Baghdad at the same time you stabbed. Thank you for apologizing France but I would also be attacking from your position. If it was on accident that is more unlucky... I was aiming for a 4 player draw but it was looking like a France or Russia win for a long time, in PPSC it is not so bad. Austria I was trying to keep you alive to stop Russia until that last move when it was clear nothing could save you.
05 Aug 21 UTC	Yeah I could tell you were annoyed at me Britain but tbh I don’t think France was really a solo threat until you began throwing to them. Gg all. Thanks for staying a true ally Russia!
05 Aug 21 UTC	Yeah China I was very glad to work so well with you from the get go! Being able to leave our huge border free of units worked out very well for both of us. I too could tell that Britain was spiting the non French when he left his homeland open in favor of stuff like that fleet in the Baltic that buzzed around me for a bit. Italy, kudos to you for doing well against me in the Middle East, you managed to stonewall my advances there after Turkey was finished off. Wp France, I tried to nab some centers from you there at the end but our border was so heavily militarized that it was pretty much a stalemate. Gg yall!
05 Aug 21 UTC	Oh I forgot about the rogue fleet in the Baltic Russia, I wasn't in a great mood with the game at that point. I was still hoping it would end quickly at that point rather than have the lines of units it got to at the end.
05 Aug 21 UTC	https://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=49885 I've set up a new gunboat if anyone here is interested
05 Aug 21 UTC	I'll pass on another game with this crowd. Except Russia/China/Japan/Austria/Turkey - I'll play again with you. For complete transparency, I've submitted a cheating accusation against England and France to the mods. They just apparently aren't looking into anything at the moment, as it's been unassigned for weeks. Their play was much too cooperative, and some of the supports against Holland and I that they successfully did on first attempt were hardly intuitive guesses. England - I also don't buy your argument of "I was annoyed at being the only one to stop France" when I literally tried to ally with you against France from the very beginning. The reason I am dead, after all, is because I bet on an alliance with you, and then you declined. And when France turned on you (even putting it that way is a misnomer, because essentially fought you as soon as possible), rather than put up any semblance of a fight, you rolled over and made it as easy as possible for them. I built an army in Berlin and Kamerun, for Pete's sake. How much clearer could I be? I moved to Wagadugu! West Indian instead of North Indian. Moved away from Australia (this is all 1886). And then a year later you blew up everything defending your centers from France. So please don't say you even attempted to stop France. If you are actually a real person and not a multi or metagamer, then take this advice - France and England pretty much must kill each other on this map. Same thing for the English and Dutch. Germany is the only one with any versatility (and even then must eventually kill the Dutch) France: If you're not a cheater, very well played. Even when it's handed to you on a platter, it takes skill to execute the win.
05 Aug 21 UTC	Holland - I was expecting a bit more for you in terms of cooperation. Especially when you saw in Europe I was willing to help. I really needed you to support me to new Zealand and was frankly shocked when you didn't. Also shocked that you fell apart so much in Indonesia. That was our corner to stay alive in
05 Aug 21 UTC	Russia: Similarly surprised by you taking Posnan. I had a line against France, and they were clearly the solo favorite at that point. Had you shown a commitment to me in Europe I wouldn't have disbanded my units there, and that's 4 less SCs to France. Italy: Ya should've seen that coming buddy. Happens to newer players, but I would've turned on France. But you were sandwiched a bit by Russia, so it's understandable. Russia should've backed off to give you space.
05 Aug 21 UTC	Germany, Britain and France failed in terms of cooperation several times against me, order wrong supports etc. I think this more a case of Britain getting frustrated and deciding to throw than anything. When they disbanded in Africa the other choice was to disband and lose territory to me. They chose to disband to France to speed up a french win in hope they’d survive and to be fair they managed to not get wiped
05 Aug 21 UTC	Germany - I don't turn down scoring into open goals, I definitely share the sense that the window to solo was gifted to me by Britain exploding. I was basically stabbing Britain the whole game apart from a few supports in the late-game when they were holding against China and Dutch. In my opinion this game for sure should have avoided a French solo (and probably would have been Russia soloing if anyone), in terms of Germany I don't think you did anything wrong play-wise. In the late game I messed up in Africa but had the units - the Pacific was due to be me slowly losing ground to China/Russia so I hit the interval to 50 (probably would have been a couple of years if Italy hadn't all-holded). Gonna turn down the new game anyway Britain sorry.
05 Aug 21 UTC	China, I only see two such moves - early on around HK that was largely inconsequential, and late around Bangkok with a missed support hold. I've been a mod on webDip 10 years, so can say metagamers/multis never have completely clean games against each other. And to be fair, they didn't just disband Africa. They disbanded all Europe as well. And they had those disbands two years after France walked into Cape Town (unopposed, no attempt to reclaim) and English Channel. One year after France took Gibraltar and Portugal (unopposed, England never built there). He was too busy trying to kick me out of Africa. But 1890s moves were eerie. Successful supports simultaneously into Java, Maldives and South Pacific.
05 Aug 21 UTC	The moves to Java and South Pacific had both been attempted (unsuccessfully) in spring 1890 so it’s hardly eerie that in the autumn they’d guess the other player would do the same thing.
05 Aug 21 UTC	Britain 100%’threw to France out of frustration. It was a stupid play. But if you were properly multi accounting or teaming you wouldn’t invade Cape Town then one, you’d ally together as France and Britain from the beginning
05 Aug 21 UTC	This is more rough than the game was for me. This was my first game on this map, but I have played diplomacy for many years now. Throwing teh game out of spite is not a thing that has not happened before. I perhaps should have thrown to Germany or just stopped moving like other people do on this webssite. Spring 1887 was when I decided to write off this game due to Holland attacking India, Russia attacking Norway, France attacking everywhere, and this was the turn that Germany clearly moved for Australia and Maldives. I wanted Holland and Russia to not win which is why I destroyed to help Italy and France (in your argument above I clearly should have thrown to Germany in West Africa first probably). The move to Wagadu before was not obvious as I thought you would move Kamerun to Benin and Ashanti move to Ivory Coast...and west indian could moved to maldives which it did in 1887. I didn't see anything you did as trying to have an alliance and thought you were trying to ally Holland with you support for amsterdam.
05 Aug 21 UTC	From 1887 I was still hoping to stay in India and Arabia as Russia looked powerful against China, but then they never fought them and got into arabia. In the last three years I supported France with the hopes I could survive and it looked like in the last year that I'd actully gain a SC before stabbed again. I moved to diplomacy online because of covid but I think I'll just go back to Backstabbr only now as this is not fun and in real life diplomacy is back soon too.