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04 Oct 22 UTC	Autumn, 2004: GameMaster: Quebec voted for a Draw. If everyone votes Draw the game will end and the points are split equally among all the surviving players, regardless of how many supply centers each player has.
08 Oct 22 UTC	Autumn, 2005: GameMaster: Someone has taken over Florida replacing "Anazz". Reconsider your alliances.
18 Oct 22 UTC	Autumn, 2008: GameMaster: Mexico voted for a Pause. If everyone votes Pause the game stop and wait till everybody votes Unpause. Please consider backing this.
31 Oct 22 UTC	gg
31 Oct 22 UTC	Mexico, your tactic was the most confusing thing I have ever seen. Nïeve at best. Attack me, the guy stopping Heartlands spread of power. Look at the board, he could have easily soloed and you are the cause. For some reason he decided to draw. I do not understand that at all. To put that much faith in him is either very very lucky or you are the same person.
31 Oct 22 UTC	gg I survived. Wish we could've been friends sooner NY.
31 Oct 22 UTC	Yeah I wish as well. I wish I had chosen you as an ally at the start and not Florida.
31 Oct 22 UTC	I'm also confused why Heartland drew.
31 Oct 22 UTC	Slightly weird game finish, I agree. But I would defend Mexicos turns here, there are good reasons for a consideration to attack you British Columbia. 1. you could have threatened him with fleets in the long run, 2. pushing beyond texas territory against Heartland is hard and has few SCs 3. with heavy pressure from Peru it is understandable to look for the easiest SCs to grab. Regarding the accusation of Heartland and Mexico being the same person/real life cooperating: this is not entirely incredible, the draw vote from Heartland was weird. Looking at bigTVBbanggang's game stats the one player he played together most ofthe (6 out of 10 games) is indeed braxton (Mexico), with the next following being other players at 4 games together. Most of these games were not anon and thus probably private. So there is probably an acquaintance between Mexico and Heartland, however it doesnt look like Heartland was played by an account made to push Mexicos account or vice versa, thus I would give the benefit of the doubt and just call Heartlands draw weird without ill intent
31 Oct 22 UTC	May have felt pressured we all drew..maybe lol, getting 34 for solo also looks unlikely
31 Oct 22 UTC	This is another point, heartland really sucks in any kind of endgame for a solo, because without fleets you naturally hit a wall almost every time
31 Oct 22 UTC	I see your points about why he would attack me. I agree with them all. However, it did nearly end the game for everyone because he did it. If there had not been the immediate threat of Heartland then I would understand. I suppose it would have been easier to make the decision if you knew you were guaranteed peace with Heartland after. Even when Mexico took San Antonio from Heartland there was no retaliation. In my opinion it was a conversation in person or via a different media like discord that negotiated this. Not to mention the 6 out of 10 games played together and the weird draw from Heartland. Regardless of if the account was made to push Mexicos account (I don’t think it was), communicating outside of an anon and knowing who another person is and knowingly cooperating from the start is not allowed.
31 Oct 22 UTC	Quebec, that could be a reason, yeah. But he wouldn’t have been threatened. He probably could have gotten 30 centres easily then stab Mexico for the rest.
31 Oct 22 UTC	It does seem highly likely there was communication outside of the game. Heartland just kept allowing Mexico to take his centers in Texas while still working with Mexico in California. That isn't something that happens in a gunboat. The army in San Antonio wasn't even giving support holds to Heartland as a sign of being friendly. It just held. Not sure why Heartland would see Mexico as friendly, unless of course there was talking outside the game. But they still weren't coordinating well so it is very weird.
31 Oct 22 UTC	Agreed, it is very weird.
31 Oct 22 UTC	But I still believe they were communicating, there is no way this would have happened if they weren’t.
31 Oct 22 UTC	i’ve played this map a great number of times between webdip and vdip, and heartland is almost never a solo threat. BC is the biggest thread on the board from an average SC perspective, and the natural progression after you obliterated california was to sweep east and kill me next. peru’s extreme aggression towards me for most of the game made my position quite unfortunate. I never really had a chance to do anything other than defend myself, and i spent most of the game trying to pick up enough centers to net zero for the year, which fueled my albeit ofd moves in texas and california. bigTVBganggang, nice to see you again. I definitely think you couldve gotten close to a solo, and am curious what your incentive was for the draw.
31 Oct 22 UTC	Ok sorry I’m just seeing all this, I can type out some responses too.
31 Oct 22 UTC	“Why not attack Mexico?” In the midgame, I was super scared of Alaska and thought they were about to solo. To me it looks like Mexico also saw that and I’m grateful I think they reached about the same conclusion as me. Indeed I think the real turning point in that war was when Alaska missed orders. That really sucks and it kinda crippled them. In the later game, I was nervous about Peru. It looked like they were pretty close to steamrolling Mexico (and Florida too, I’m still a bit confused as to why they and Peru never fought actually). I was content letting Mexico move south without attacking them so that they could essentially fend off Peru for longer. I feel like if I had attacked Mexico in any way, I would kinda be giving the game to Peru. When Mexico took San Antonio, for example, I had pretty high confidence that I would be able to forcefully take it back eventually, and that it would be more useful to me to let them keep fighting Peru (same type of logic with California in general). Also, I just don’t like stabbing people. If I have some pseudo-alliance with someone, I usually don’t betray them (you can search through my history and check if you want). Maybe that’s not really how gunboat should be played, fair enough; I haven’t played that many. I don’t want to use inexperience as an excuse for strange moves, but like I’d appreciate the benefit of the doubt here.
31 Oct 22 UTC	“Are you braxton?” Definitely not, lol, though we have played games together. They generally seem to win a lot of these games so I appreciate being compared to them. I didn’t know they were in this game and I wasn’t communicating with them about moves or anything else. My word is obviously all I can give to defend that.