04 Nov 23 UTC | Spring, 1740: Gooood morning |
04 Nov 23 UTC | Spring, 1740: Let's hope this game works out better than my last on this map lol |
07 Nov 23 UTC | Spring, 1740: Hello hello |
07 Nov 23 UTC | Spring, 1740: This map seems very good, but I just saw....why do they all have viking units..? |
07 Nov 23 UTC | Spring, 1740: Hey everyone They are just tokens don't think to much into it. Lol |
07 Nov 23 UTC | Spring, 1740: Hello. Wasn't Lorraine part of the HRE? |
07 Nov 23 UTC | Spring, 1740: One could also ask why is Switzerland impassable, as if the Classic had made it an unbreakable rule... ;) |
07 Nov 23 UTC | Spring, 1740: Anyway, good luck to everyone for this 48934th European war. Hopefully these wars will never create any problems. |
07 Nov 23 UTC | Spring, 1740: The Sublime Porte is open to your diplomats. Good luck. |
11 Nov 23 UTC | Autumn, 1740: In 1737, the duchy was given to Stanisław Leszczyński, the former king of Poland, who had lost his throne as a result of the War of the Polish Succession, with the understanding that it would fall to the French crown on his death. When Stanisław died on 23 February 1766, Lorraine was annexed by France and reorganized as the province of Lorraine and Barrois. |
11 Nov 23 UTC | Autumn, 1740: I had no idea. Thanks for the info. |
11 Nov 23 UTC | Autumn, 1740: But it does not really answer if it was still in the Holy Roman Empire between 1737 and 1766. On Wikipedia the answer is yes, but I didn't verify somewhere else. |
11 Nov 23 UTC | Autumn, 1740: I asked ChatGPT about it, and while it said Lorraine's status within the HRE was a complex issue, it summarized it as follows: Before 1737: Lorraine was part of the Holy Roman Empire, and its rulers held the title of Duke of Lorraine within the imperial framework. In 1737: The Treaty of Vienna transferred the Duchy of Lorraine to the Habsburgs. While it was under Habsburg control, Lorraine remained formally within the Holy Roman Empire. In 1766: The Treaty of Fontainebleau returned Lorraine to France. This marked the end of its association with the Holy Roman Empire, as it became integrated into the Kingdom of France. |
12 Nov 23 UTC | Autumn, 1740: I think there is a mistake. As Austria pointed out, the Duchy was given to Stanisław Leszczyński in 1737, who was obviously not a Habsburg contrarily to what ChatGPT said! (his daughter would even get married to Louis XV, and it is well known how much France and Austria were enemies at that time). But otherwise it is correct that it was still formally in the Holy Roman Empire up to 1766. This answers to your first question, you were right, unless my references are wrong. |
12 Nov 23 UTC | Autumn, 1740: Confronted with this information, ChatGPT acknowledged his error and reaffirmed that the duchy was not part of the HRE between 1737 and 1766, while Stanisław Leszczyński was duke. |
12 Nov 23 UTC | Autumn, 1740: I've never used ChatGPT in my life, but is he so often saying wrong things? Why would he say now that Lorraine wasn't in the HRE between 1737 and 1766, when we stated the contrary was true? :/ |
12 Nov 23 UTC | Autumn, 1740: Oh, sorry, that was a mistake from my part... omit the "not" in that phrase, please. |
13 Nov 23 UTC | Spring, 1741: Ah ah ok ok |
21 Nov 23 UTC | Autumn, 1741: This game should actually be the War of the Spanish Succession.. |
21 Nov 23 UTC | Autumn, 1741: Because of the map or something else? |