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drano019 (2710 D Mod)
05 Apr 18 UTC
Variant Design Help
See below.
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
05 Apr 18 UTC
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Hi vdippers!

Recently I've decided to reboot my work on a variant designed around Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive novels (if you like high fantasy novels, read them!). I've got a base map set to go, and even some ideas on SC and territory locations, however, I'm positive it's pretty crummy of a job. Is there anyone here who might be willing to take a peek at things and collaborate with me on it?

Thanks in advance!
As a fan of that series, I would love to see what you have. (Any excuse to go back and read them again is good, right?)
kaner406 (2103 D Mod (B))
06 Apr 18 UTC
Devoured the most recent novel myself :)
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
06 Apr 18 UTC
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More Stormlight fans! Sweet! I didn't realize we had any here! When I get to my computer I'll put the map I have online and send you guys the link. Its pretty rough, especially borders, as they we're kinda just thrown in there. Feedback would be most appreciated.
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
06 Apr 18 UTC
For all who wish to see a very early rough test map, check it out here.

https://imgur.com/a/TrP0H
Sky_Hopper (365 D)
06 Apr 18 UTC
Having never read Stormlight (gasp!), I don't know the exact specifics of Roshar, so I had to look it up.
Your map is pretty awesome. However, I think that there probably should be some mergers -- the number of provinces is a bit much.
If you need help in drawing the seas, I can give you some pointers.
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
06 Apr 18 UTC
Sky_Hopper -

Thanks for the feedback! I'm sure there's LOTS that needs to be done to it, as that map was a very early beta test so to speak. I expect to need to add supply centers and rework all the provinces at least once, probably more than that. I'd be more than happy to hear your thoughts on the sea provinces!
Sky_Hopper (365 D)
06 Apr 18 UTC
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A few tips:
1) Try to avoid sea provinces that don't touch at least 1 SC. Seas such as these are usually worthless.
2) Make sure your sea provinces never touch more than 5 land provinces.
3) Make sure your land provinces never touch more than 5 sea provinces.
4) Make sure your sea provinces never touch more than 5 sea provinces.
5) Make sure a player's home SCs never touch enemy home SCs. (Yes, I know, Classic Dip breaks this with the Venice-Trieste border.)
6) Try to avoid scattering home SCs. Try to keep them close together, like in Classic.
kaner406 (2103 D Mod (B))
06 Apr 18 UTC
Looking forward to seeing how this develops. It will be interesting to see how the sea territories are handled, as well as the island chains. Maybe also put some consideration to having a Shadesmar type realm running alongside? something like Haven or Mars which allows a little bit of faster 'travel' on the map...
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
06 Apr 18 UTC
Kaner,

A Shadesmar type realm is a fantastic idea! I do intend on using other parts of the Stormlight world (Shards, Oathgates, etc), so why not Shadesmar! Unfortunately it won't be vdip playable once everything is implemented, so alas, it's unlikely to ever see the light of day here (except maybe stripped down to the basics).

I admit I would love it if someone with map experience would directly collaborate on it with me. I've got all the big picture things worked out mostly, but it's the nitty gritty of dividing up territories and figuring out SCs thats putting me at a standstill. Any takers?
Could highstorms be implemented, similar to hurricanes on the Pirates variant?
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
07 Apr 18 UTC
As the map is intended to be hand-adjudicated, technically, anything is possible!
Mercy (2131 D)
07 Apr 18 UTC
@drano019 I have no experience with map making, but I would be happy to provide any feedback on the division of territories and SC's. :) The map you posted already looks quite interesting!

Right now, I would ask myself the following questions:
1) What is the average number of supply centers per player that I want?
2) What is the supply center density that I want, aka the average number of territories that are a supply center?

Personally I prefer Classic style for both, which would mean that you have to merge a lot of territories together. But hey, that is just my personal preference. :)
Mercy (2131 D)
07 Apr 18 UTC
@SkyHopper I disagree with all of your points except 1) and 3).
I believe I took a look at your last version for you, but I can do so again.

That goes for all you other variant designers out there. You can pm me here, though it would be better if you email me at zendip18AToptonlineDOTnet.
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
07 Apr 18 UTC
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Hey David! I think you did, but I can't seem to find the comments anywhere. TBH, not much has changed, as the project has basically been on hold for a year+ . I'm planning on making a big push over the next couple months to actually try to get a working product out there, and then run a test game sometime shortly after that.

Mercy - those are good questions! There's going to be special units that somewhat throw things off, but still a good thing to think about!
Sky_Hopper (365 D)
08 Apr 18 UTC
@David E. Cohen
Was the AT and DOT to prevent spam bots?
Correctamundo.
Hello Drano019. Some questions and comments:

You may have too many non-supply center provinces, but I do want to see your water province divisions.

The colors of the dark red and brown Powers are quite close, which could be very confusing later in the game when they may be adjacent. You should consider modifying one or both to provide more distinction.

What rules, if any, differ from those of Standard?

Do the thin blue lines represent rivers and/or canals which would allow fleets to move into otherwise landlocked provinces?

Is there a reason that the Power in bright red starts with 1 more dot than all the other Powers?

Think carefully before having offshore one-province islands with no dots. They will probably add nothing to game play. If you want them there for "feel", consider making them impassable.
drano019 (2710 D Mod)
09 Apr 18 UTC
Hey David!

Thanks for the comments, I'll go through them one by one.

1) I agree there's far too many non-SC provinces. This is largely due to the fact that I threw the map together real fast a while ago and never really finished it per se. I fully intend on adding significantly more SCs, as I want this map to be unit-heavy due to the special rules and units that will be in it.

2) Thanks for the feedback. Wasn't sure if they were different enough or not. I could see how that could be an issue, especially if someone is somewhat color-blind in the red spectrum.

3) Let me come back to this one at the end.

4) Yes, the idea is navigable rivers, although that's not something I'm wedded to, as it doesn't really fit that well with the theme. It's likely that in the end, they will be taken out.

5) You know, I *had* a reason for it a long time ago, but I'm not really sure what that was anymore! I'm trying to start fresh somewhat, so I'll have to reconsider this, as I'm not sure it makes sense.

6) The islands are going to be grouped into chains, so there won't be a ton of individual islands as shown on the map. That was going to be delineated with sea provinces when those get drawn in.

So, going back to special rules and what not. The two biggest ones are going to be "Shards", and "Oathgates".

First, Shards: In the Stormlight Archive universe, "Shards" come in two varieties (I won't get into the Knights Radiant yet) - Shardplate, and Shardblades. Either makes the bearer into a force that can kill virtually anyone in single combat, but both combined turns the bearer into a virtual army unto themselves. These "Shards" will be represented on the map, and will be able to be wielded by the players. There will be special units representing a unit with Shardplate, Shardblade, or both. These units can move independently of other armies or fleets. Similar to in-universe, the presence of these units in battle will give the bearer significant advantage, and will be critical to battles. They however, can also be lost in battle, and captured by the enemy. Hence, protecting your shards will be a crucial part of the game. This is one reason I want the game to be SC heavy, as it will prevent the Shards from being the only important part of the game in deciding who wins battles.

Second, Oathgates. The Oathgates were immense platforms capable of transporting people to the fabled city of Urithiru. There were 10 in total, one in each of the Kingdoms. Each had a corresponding Oathgate in Urithiru. Therefore, one could travel from your Oathgate, to Urithiru, and then from Urithiru to any other Oathgate. In-universe, they had to be activated by "Knight Radiant", however, I will likely simplify that to simply needing a Shardbearer to activate it. Also up in the air is whether one needs to "unlock" the Oathgate before using it, or if they are automatically unlocked at the start of the game. Allowing them to be "locked" from the non-Urithiru side would allow people to prevent an enemy from simply invading them at home via Urithiru, thus requiring units at home virtually all the time. So specifics are up in the air, but allowing for instantaneous travel via Urithiru is definitely going to be in the game.

Ok, so that probably wasn't the clearest, so, please, ask questions! I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond!


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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
05 Apr 18 UTC
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New convoy-code.
Thanks to tobi1 we have a new and improved convoy-code.
This was really a problem for all "big" variants.
Very cool you could solve this problem. I did take a look at your code, but I'm absolutely clueless... :-)
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
06 Apr 18 UTC
Gunboat specs
If the "Gunboat", "Public Press", or "Per Rulebook" rules are employed, shouldn't the game be automatically "Anon" as well? If it weren't, then players could just PM each other, defeating the purpose.
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gopher27 (1606 D Mod)
06 Apr 18 UTC
Question about social norms for players
In a large game, a reliable player asked the mods to extend the game for Easter. The request was general and largely in the name of other player: "Hey guys, it's Easter, and in a big game, some people will probably be traveling to see family." The extension was granted, and requests like that are likely to be accepted.
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
06 Apr 18 UTC
Port this?
Here's a variant we might want to try (with a few tweaks, of course):
Map: https://apolyton.net/filedata/fetch?id=8931879
Thread: https://apolyton.net/forum/miscellaneous/archives/stories-diplomacy-archive/114155-stefu-s-very-own-north-american-diplomacy-1870-map
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JOIN: Imperial Diplomacy II - 3 more Players!
JOIN: Imperial Diplomacy II - 3 more Players!
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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
10 Feb 18 UTC
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RSS feed for Notifications (discussion)
Hi everyone.
Don't miss PMs or game-notifications with your personal RSS-feed.
In your settings-page you can create a unique link that updates with your "Notices"-tab on your homescreen.

Feel free to post ideas for improvements or suggestions.
What's your favorite RSS-client for your platform of choice?
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Sky_Hopper (365 D)
02 Apr 18 UTC
Testing a possible new variant
I've made a simple Diplomacy variant, but I haven't tested it. Would this be the place to (perhaps) gain some testers?
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sarmstro (931 D)
03 Apr 18 UTC
Noob question
Hi, long time dipper, first time vdipper. Is it possible to enter orders using an android phone, or do I have to wait to get in front of a PC? The orders field just says "loading order" and nothing else happens.

Apologies for the stupid question, and hello!
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Battalion (2386 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
Bot wars
I've been wondering how well you could write a script to play gunboat diplomacy. Probably not very well (at least to begin with!), but it would be fun to try. I don't really have the time to do this properly right now, but I'm interested to know if it has been done before, or whether anyone would be keen to try at some point in the future.
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Enriador (1507 D)
26 Mar 18 UTC
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[Upcoming] Renaissance: 1453
Hail diplomats! I wanted to share a very small project I have been working on. Soon we will have the chance to play 'Renaissance: 1453'!
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The Real Wheat (969 D)
29 Mar 18 UTC
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Issue with South American Supremacy Map
Hey, I'm getting ready to start a game with some friends using the South American Supremacy map. It appears the map is starting with a fleet in Bogata, which is a landlocked territory. the variant homepage lists Bogata as starting with an army. Is there is a good way to correct this? Thanks!
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The Ambassador (1948 D (B))
22 Mar 18 UTC
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Forum search idea
Cam the awesome guys that know techie stuff add some functionality to the forum so you can search?
6 replies
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jason4747 (1633 D)
21 Mar 18 UTC
What happened to the U.S. of Insanity?
Draw?
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Woodruff (1000 D)
22 Mar 18 UTC
Map Markings
I apologize if this is a repeat question or if it's found somewhere obvious, but I'm brand new to vDiplomacy and I can't seem to find what the difference is between the two types of what I believe are SC markings on the Bye Bye Federalism map.

Can someone help me?
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March Madness discussion
Let's have a discussion/argument about this year's tournament.
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Pretz (952 D)
20 Mar 18 UTC
Option to play a variant with fewer than the max number of players?
Hello all,

I and two of my friends love playing 3 player diplo games together. Having gone through the different 3 player maps, I'm wondering if there is a way to play on some of the larger variants, but with just 3 people? For instance, I'd love it if we could play a 3 player game on Fall of the American Empire IV.
2 replies
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Enriador (1507 D)
15 Mar 18 UTC
Which variant would you like seeing on vDiplomacy?
Is there a variant that you really want to play, but isn't available here yet?

I have done work on half a dozen variants and I would like to pick something else. What's your favorite?
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G-Man (2466 D)
17 Mar 18 UTC
Policy For Site Unavailability/Glitch
What do you mods think about having some kind of policy posted to address when the site goes down or is not functional in the future? You have chosen to cancel the 1st game of Divided States over this, but the last time I was involved in a game that had this happen, the last phase was replayed. So currently, the response isn't consistent.
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WWII Tournament REPLACEMENT NEEDED
^^^

Go to the WWII Tournament thread for details. First come, first served.
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JECE (1534 D)
04 Mar 18 UTC
Join Team Iberia in the 2018 webDiplomacy World Cup
Iberia came 3rd in 2010, 2nd in 2012 and was absent from the 2016 edition. We're late to the party, but hopefully we can pull together quickly enough to register our team before sign-ups close. Are you ready?
The tournament is getting organized now:
http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=298
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Enriador (1507 D)
03 Mar 18 UTC
[Poll] Balkan Gambit
If you are playing Austria and doing a Balkan Gambit, what orders do you give to Army Vienna?

https://strawpoll.com/redwyz6b
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Grahamso1 (1912 D)
01 Mar 18 UTC
“Resigning” from a game
I would never want to do this but what does it mean when I see a player “resigned” from a game
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tobi1 (1997 D Mod (S))
03 Feb 18 UTC
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Improvement suggestions?
I am looking to give some love to my main coding contributions to vdip, namely the interactive map and the TSR in Colonial Diplomacy. Do you have any wishes, improvement suggestions, issues or bug reports with these implementations?
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Enriador (1507 D)
25 Feb 18 UTC
[Classic] Tuscan Opening
Hello guys! I wrote an article on webDiplomacy.net Forum about a "Tuscan Opening" that I will transcribe here for those who aren't members of webDip. I hope you enjoy it!
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Oli (977 D Mod (P))
13 Feb 18 UTC
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New mega-variant: Divided states....
Here comes our largest variant ever: Divided States.
A variant for 50 players!! With 693 territories (270 land, 236 coast, and 187 sea territories).
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Anon (?? D)
15 Feb 18 UTC
Western World 901 Bug?
I am in a gunboat and when I try to see the past orders it tells me there is a bug.

http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=33658
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Argentinean Empire (1606 D)
23 Jan 18 UTC
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Prove your historical knowledge!
Since some discrepancies arose from the Winning thread, (what else is new?) here we go. We start with a question, and the person that correctly answers it posts a question of their own, and it continues.
158 replies
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michael_b (952 D)
12 Aug 17 UTC
Question: Adding Variant(s)
Please see reply.
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Halt (2077 D)
10 Feb 18 UTC
Can't send press during build phase?
Hi, during one of my games, I seem to not be able to send press during build phase? I have been away from the site for a few years, so is this a new feature/rule I'm unaware of or is there something wrong with the game I'm in?

gameID=33649
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